So, now, the guy that made managing zoning regulations fun is on the LL board of directors. (O.o)
This is crazy. I think my confusion and fear is at the same peak as my optimism. Or, as Rod said, “good or bad, it will be glorious”… Yeah, looks like he’s standing by those words. =^-^=
Either way, I don’t quite know what to expect SL to turn into from here on out. But I do expect it to be quite fun. And, that’s what I’m here for. If SL wasn’t fun, I’d go back to my anime bittorrent rut… Or stick with Eve? … I dunno. Anyway, the reason I’m in SL at this point is because I enjoy it. (^_^)
Now, what’s next? I’m seeing a rather peaceful coup of Maxis/EA going on in the lab. Is this going to lead to SL turning into a game? I think not. They can’t, in my point of view. SL content is resident created. All the Labbies really do is provide the tools while ~we~ make the content. (^_^)
… I kinda hope. (O.o)
But, I can smell the glorious. I’ve come to the conclusion that Rod is crazy like a fox. My optimism is unshaken. Particularly given that he has delivered some things quite quickly already. XD
SL is meant to be fun and we’re starting to find fun-makers beginning to fill the top ranks of the organization. Excuse me while I wring my hands and settle into a creepy grin. >8D
So, 3.2 went from dev to beta in what, 3? 4? days? (o.O)
Okay, not good. DX
For one, there are some really glaring flaws. Inventory scroll bars don’t get the focus they need to respond properly to mousewheels. (>_<)
There’s no ‘nice’ place to put the chat bar. It can’t docked and its header tab covers the lowest line of console chat if it’s placed in the far corner. (=_=)
IM toasts are nice in the upper right corner, but, it still behaves as though it’s in the bottom. That gets confuzzling. DX
Finally, window positions and browser bar width go forgotten. I like the favorites bar, but, it gets crowded out with the default layout. I move the divider and it returns home after I relog. (T_T)
So, Labbies, please keep this in beta for a while. It’s a good change, yes. But if the crown jewels were to be encrusted in horse poop… People will still notice the poop first. DX
So, the dev dailies revealed a glimpse of what our new v3 experience may be yesterday. It’s not a big ol’ departure, but, the sidebar is pretty much gone. (O.o)
Instead, we get a collection of buttons which can be placed out on the edges of the window and set up with or without text. I’ve already customized it to a layout I’ve grown familiar with since the advent of the sidebar. (^_^)
But… The sidebar… (._.)
People who liked the pre-V2 interfaces will be rather happy to see everything back in size adjustable floaters. Which, is okay, but I’ll admit that I liked the ability to work in a pre-formatted stack of items which didn’t have the opportunity to pop up in oddly random corners of the screen. (O.o)
Either way, it’s a change, someone’s gonna complain… If they ain’t already. =^-^=
Sooooo… According to my billing renewals, Darkly-Cute.com is 1 year old this week. =^-^=
I’m not sure if I dare scroll back and read about my emotional ups and downs, but, they’re all there. 1 year of me ranting and raving over whateverwhoknowswhat. (>.>)
Terms of Service. It’s the law of the digital land. A living document of what no-no’s apply to using the service. All for all kinds of reasons like; Keeping admins out of court… Keeping the FBI from kicking doors in… You know, all the fun stuff. =^-^=
So, SL has a ToS that it kind of doesn’t enforce. I mean, people get banned for violating it all the time… But, also, people get away with murder for years simply because they haven’t been reported. It’s a little unspoken rule. I mention it often:
“AR or it didn’t happen”
Yeah, that. (^_^)
It’s kinda like the forum/chat meme “pix or it didn’t happen”… It’s like, we won’t believe a thing until we see it first hand. (^_^)
Well, really, Linden Lab will not act on anything until someone is bothered enough to report it. Other than the rare case of a Labbie just happening upon really obvious stuff, just about everything slides until it’s reported. (-_-)
But, how do they act? It seems, if the claim ‘sounds’ legit enough, they’ll pop right no it. I’ve had a good number of Labbies land on my head moments after sending an AR. Usually over pretty obvious and legit stuff. So, I’m confident that they’re doing their job at least a little bit. =^-^=
But, then there are peeps who lack that confidence. That’s when we get AR parties. (>_<)
Okay, so when I AR something and I see no action, I let it pass. I’m happy to assume I misinterpreted the ToS, a Labbie looked into my report, and there was no valid violation. (o.o)
Lesson learned, no? (^_^)
Well… No. (=_=)
For some people, that ain’t enough. What started as “this person violated blabla by blablaing another blabla” to “I am not satisfied with how things are done and I will scream until you obey me!” DX
That’s really what an AR party is saying, ain’t it? (=_=)
I mean, if you think such a thing is actually necessary, then you probably had a history of being ignored… Probably because you been crying wolf all along? =^-^=
But, anyway, there are those out to “force the hands of the gods”… (=_=)
Like, as a revenge move, ARing you for being underage or ageplay, or whatever kind of quick&dirty thing will impact your account the most. (>_<)
I got a biiiiiiiiiig problem with this. (=_=)
Why? Because sometimes, it works! (T_T)
I’ve seen, over and over, people getting suspended and even terminated over things they’ve never done, filed by a person who simply doesn’t like them. Which may just be a bit bad if the lab were to turn around and look at the details. (>_<)
I mean, they did with me. Years ago. I got B& for “ageplay” while in a grown-up avatar, on PG land, dressed in a PG manner, during a PG building event. I fought all high hell over it and got the lab to apologize. (^_^)
Others ain’t been so lucky. (>_<)
I know of a couple people with completely terminated accounts based on vague claims of repeated violations of something they’ve possibly NEVER involved themselves in. (=_=)
Add, when appealing, they get told that no mistake was made. (T_T)
Jeebus, a vigilante’s dream come true. DX
And, of course, that’s who uses it most. (-_-)
The big hubbub lately has been over the JLU and their practices of what’s starting to look like simply getting rid of anyone they don’t like. (O.o)
Or, simply, peeps is abusing a system ripe for abuse. (-_-)
And who gets in trouble? Surely NOT the abuser. According to docs, they reported a “wrong” and the lab acted appropriately. (=_=)
Blergh… Not good!! DX
I see this AR thingie… It needs reforming. (-_-)
ARs need to be actionable and directly connectable to the ToS. Instead of the existing (and outdated) list of reasons, put in a drop box of the actual ToS/CS guidelines. Yeah, that’ll make the form tougher to fill out, but, stick with me a minute. XD
ARs need to be valid. Once someone has picked the specific violation, it better be frigg’n true. There should be a score against false or misleading ARs. If this score adds up, well, THERE’s your abuser. (=_=)
But, that score, it’s gotta be real. I mean, INVESTIGATE y’alls ARs. A Labbie gotta be on the ball for any AR. Since the ToS violation is clear-cut as picked from the list, shouldn’t be any guesswork, eh? (-_-)
And, really, treat a false abuse report with the same impact as it would have had if the report were true. If someone BLOODY LIES about another being a CP peddlar, well, they’re putting someone at risk of full-on termination and possibly even criminal investigation. (=_=)
What if someone were to do that in real life? What if you’re enjoying a sno-cone while sitting on a public park bench and some psycho popps on the cell phone to report that you just fondled their kid? It’s nearly the same, ain’t it? Obviously, in scale it ain’t… Maybe. (>_<)
But, that’s the ticket. At this moment, the environment is in place for someone to lie about you and effectively ruin your virtual life. I’d love to say I’m being paranoid. But, I’ve had it happen to me, I’ve seen it happen to others, and I’ve even seen the exposure of who’s doing it on a practically organized level. (=_=)
There’s a word for it…
FRAUD
I like Second Life. I don’t mind Linden Lab. But, I can’t stand the pins and needles people tend to be on when such a threat to their account status looms overhead. (>_<)
Wanna talk about customer retention? Stop terminating your customers. (=_=)
It will be work, but, that’s what we’re paying the Labbies for, ain’t it? (o.O)
I was present during the Avatar Identity panel at SLCC 2011… A panel which received threats from Kalel of the Justice League Unlimited. So… There were “technical” problems. (=_=)
Anyway, here’s the video for those who ain’t seen it yet. =^-^=
I spent a loooong time waiting for that video to come out. DX
Either way, there it is. =^-^=
I’d say the panel was quite successful in spite of the JLU’s threats… But, I guess a lot of things go that way in SL… In spite of the JLU’s threats! XD
Now, Pixeleen is making available her side of the story on the Alphaville Herald. You can find it here. (^_^)
In a way, I waited for Pix to say anything before I said something and I assume Pix was probably willing to let it pass. That is, until the Justice League, Kalel Venkman, Zip Pas, and GreenLantern Excelsior got all wound up in forum dramaz over a datamining project by the JLU a-la RedZone. (=_=)
Since then, much of the Justice League has been retreating to hiding places with their tails between their legs. They won’t directly answer questions. They been persistently contradicting each other when they do speak up. Really, cowering like any other fraud under investigation. =^-^=
So, anyway, TL/DR… Here is the chatlog of the inworld SLCC 2011 panel… Expect really ugly formatting. XD
Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency in Social Media
[2011/08/14 14:31] Second Life: Teleport completed from http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/SLCC%203/135/164/30
[2011/08/14 14:32] Object: whispers: A landmark to this destination has been placed in your inventory.
[2011/08/14 14:32] Second Life: You decline ‘SLCC 11 – MOMA – Artistic & Creative , Social & Communities’ ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/SLCC%201/147/116/25 ) from <nolink>Object</nolink>.
[2011/08/14 14:33] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): I’m in Oakland. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:33] Gentle Heron: We’ve been trying to tell LL they need an anthropologist, a sociologist, and a community management person (NOT an online community manager type though)
[2011/08/14 14:34] LeonTubrok Beaumont: gentle, with Tom Bukowski?
[2011/08/14 14:34] LeonTubrok Beaumont: agree
[2011/08/14 14:34] Nyx Ivory: Agreed, Gentle!!
[2011/08/14 14:34] hello everyone
[2011/08/14 14:34] Devon Alderton: Tamy!
[2011/08/14 14:34] Tammy Nowotny: is it just me or is there no video on the prim?
[2011/08/14 14:35] Tammy Nowotny: I cdn’t make it to Oakland
[2011/08/14 14:35] not just you Tammy
[2011/08/14 14:35] Gentle Heron: no video, and no UStream either ,Tammy
[2011/08/14 14:35] Nyx Ivory: yay Immy counting on you for the inside scoop
[2011/08/14 14:35] Devon Alderton: there is no video. we are waiting for any word from someone in Oakland about what is going on
[2011/08/14 14:35] Devon Alderton: but….if we don’t hear, we can have our own chat…..if only someone in Oakland was here in world
[2011/08/14 14:35] susan Yven: slcc3 is running but not sure what topic
[2011/08/14 14:35] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): No audio? (o.o)
[2011/08/14 14:35] Pygar Bu: no audio or video
[2011/08/14 14:35] Nyx Ivory: feeling like Pavlov’s dog on the refresh button
[2011/08/14 14:35] Devon Alderton: not hearing anything here
[2011/08/14 14:36] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): There won’t be a stream. It’s a long story. (._.)
[2011/08/14 14:36] Devon Alderton: okay. but….can we have some interaction?
[2011/08/14 14:36] thanks Immy
[2011/08/14 14:36] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Long story short, blame JLU. (>_<)
[2011/08/14 14:36] LeonTubrok Beaumont: stream one or 2 we should be seeing?
[2011/08/14 14:36] Gentle Heron: You’re in Oakland, Immy?
[2011/08/14 14:41] Devon Alderton: is Mari the moderator?
[2011/08/14 14:41] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Referring to the soccer coment that Rod included in his speech yesterday.
[2011/08/14 14:42] Pygar Bu: General-rated region, it fits
[2011/08/14 14:42] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): No mod. Just a panel. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:42] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro is expressing his support for anonymity in spite of his personal choice to reveal himself. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:43] LeonTubrok Beaumont: thanks for doing this Immy
[2011/08/14 14:43] Ceorl Onlyone: most who like anonymity or pseudonimity have no objection to choice :)
[2011/08/14 14:43] Devon Alderton: Hiya, bevan!
[2011/08/14 14:43] Gentle Heron: Hi Bevan. There’s no stream, so Izzy is narrating
[2011/08/14 14:43] hi!
[2011/08/14 14:43] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “It doesn’t take away the validity of the story no matter what their name is.” (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:43] Bevan Whitfield: ty Gentle :-)
[2011/08/14 14:43] Devon Alderton: no stream..but Immy is doing a great job of synopsizing for us
[2011/08/14 14:43] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): iSkye sends Immy a HUGE hug of thanks :)
[2011/08/14 14:43] Bevan Whitfield: ty Immy :-)
[2011/08/14 14:44] Devon Alderton: hi, iSkye!
[2011/08/14 14:44] Ceorl Onlyone: thx Immy :)
[2011/08/14 14:44] Pygar Bu: yes, thanks!
[2011/08/14 14:44] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari is speaking now, reflecting on how she holds a Facebook and G+ page as a chosen second identity. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:44] Devon Alderton: real and SL?
[2011/08/14 14:45] Devon Alderton: two of each?
[2011/08/14 14:45] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): She also has no faith that G+ will let anyone have their name, regardless how real. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:45] Gentle Heron: She has an SL identity on Facebook?
[2011/08/14 14:45] Tammy Nowotny: I tweet under both my SL & RL identities
[2011/08/14 14:45] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): She likes to keep both lives separate. Second Lifeâ„¢ for SL, RL for RL. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:45] Devon Alderton: in one account, Tammy?
[2011/08/14 14:46] Nyx Ivory: here’s where we really need the back channel
[2011/08/14 14:46] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Contexts between the two ways she chooses to be, Second Lifeâ„¢ and Real Life don’t mesh well. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:46] Devon Alderton: Bevan helped me pick this identity because VWBPE required disclosure one year
[2011/08/14 14:46] Tammy Nowotny: no, definitely not
[2011/08/14 14:46] Tammy Nowotny: my RL self sends much duller tweets
[2011/08/14 14:46] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Metanomics Chatbridge was great for that in their weekly broadcasts
[2011/08/14 14:46] Devon Alderton: me, too, Tammy
[2011/08/14 14:46] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mix is speaking about learning what it’s been like to be the mouthy little redhead who knows about sailing abit. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:47] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Pix, not Mix. XD
[2011/08/14 14:47] Devon Alderton: mouthy. ha!
[2011/08/14 14:47] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): “mouthy little redhead” *grin*
[2011/08/14 14:48] Kara (irresistible.charisma): whats the URL?
[2011/08/14 14:48] Devon Alderton: Irresistible, there is no stream
[2011/08/14 14:48] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mixing things (RL and SL) together may be good for the dataminders, but, it’s rarely convenient for the end user”. Pix. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:48] Gentle Heron: There’s no stream, sorry.
[2011/08/14 14:48] Kara (irresistible.charisma): why not?
[2011/08/14 14:48] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Long story. (._.)
[2011/08/14 14:49] Gentle Heron: as we said in the Linden panel discussion, it’s all about options.
[2011/08/14 14:49] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): The’re talking about the culture that focuses on too much sense of “status” for people to trust people who choose alternate names. (>_<)
[2011/08/14 14:50] Devon Alderton: I didn’t have anything invested in Devon and had to disclose up front.
[2011/08/14 14:50] LeonTubrok Beaumont: after recent things governments get twitchy at avatars wihout rl name behind it
[2011/08/14 14:50] Devon Alderton: yes..that need to protect your privelege when you come into a world that values competence
[2011/08/14 14:50] Nyx Ivory: Leon’s referring to UK riots
[2011/08/14 14:50] Devon Alderton: oh..Leon…except when they want you to call the anonymous tip line and turn in criminals…or your neighbors
[2011/08/14 14:51] Devon Alderton: our oldest democracies are spiraling towards repression faster and faster
[2011/08/14 14:51] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “Lady Gaga’s Google+ page seems just fine [in spite of her pseudonym]” (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:51] Nyx Ivory: Nyx Ivory nods at Devon
[2011/08/14 14:51] LeonTubrok Beaumont: and then they would prefer u wasnt annonymous but know u wouldnt phone otherwise
[2011/08/14 14:51] Nyx Ivory: the lack of consistency from G+ is maddening
[2011/08/14 14:51] Pygar Bu: ‘s funny, we all start with the same tools here, it is all about what we do with them
[2011/08/14 14:51] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I see people being marginalised once their RL information is revealed in association with that avatars, and that’s just not fair to people
[2011/08/14 14:51] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro expexts Google’s approach to be bound to backfire on them. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:52] Devon Alderton: heaven forbid G offend the monsters
[2011/08/14 14:52] Ceorl Onlyone: a question for the panel Immy if you can pass it along, what are the most promising options for having a private online life these days?
[2011/08/14 14:52] Salazar Jack: Good point, Pygar!
[2011/08/14 14:52] Nyx Ivory: good one, Ceorl! way to spin positive
[2011/08/14 14:52] Devon Alderton: indeed….
[2011/08/14 14:52] Ceorl Onlyone: thx Nyx, yes we all know it is a minefield out there :)
[2011/08/14 14:53] Devon Alderton: Yes, Pygar.
[2011/08/14 14:53] Nyx Ivory: and good point from Pygar – about leveling the field
[2011/08/14 14:53] LeonTubrok Beaumont: no rson why avis have to be publicly linked to rl people solong as tracable if needed for security issues
[2011/08/14 14:53] Devon Alderton: but it’s two approaches. the approach of be a passive consumer of entertainment …shopping, music, dj’s, machinima….
[2011/08/14 14:54] Salazar Jack: Wry tweet from @ZeMoo… “@meta_verse @zero @gwenners No livestream from the #SLCC Privacy & Transparancy debate @SLCC for #Privacy reasons i guess… Thumbs up! .)â€
[2011/08/14 14:54] Pygar Bu: heh!
[2011/08/14 14:54] Ceorl Onlyone: haha :)
[2011/08/14 14:54] Nyx Ivory: *snort* :-D
[2011/08/14 14:54] Devon Alderton: notice machinima makers stand apart and watch…or set up the stage and film it
[2011/08/14 14:54] Devon Alderton: and the approach of come in, get competent, build, hack the culture. for that, you need privacy
[2011/08/14 14:55] Devon Alderton: active participants need privacy.
[2011/08/14 14:55] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Agree with Devon there
[2011/08/14 14:55] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “Twitter doesn’t give a d**n about what you say your name is” – Yoz Linden. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:55] LeonTubrok Beaumont: the push to sell us stuff what makes them want us publicly linked to rl :-/
[2011/08/14 14:55] Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles
[2011/08/14 14:55] Salazar Jack: Salazar Jack claps
[2011/08/14 14:55] Devon Alderton: yes..and how many of us use google for alt identities?
[2011/08/14 14:55] Devon Alderton: indeed, Leon
[2011/08/14 14:56] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): well…..they make money OFF of our information
[2011/08/14 14:56] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): which burns my butt because it’s MY information
[2011/08/14 14:56] Devon Alderton: yes….
[2011/08/14 14:56] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): why do THEY get the money?
[2011/08/14 14:56] LeonTubrok Beaumont: they came pretty quick with patriot bill but doubt as quick other way round when public want privacy
[2011/08/14 14:56] Pygar Bu: I opened a G+ acct for this avie – I don’t do much there, except read Crap’s 100 word stories.. :-)
[2011/08/14 14:57] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Fleep is mentioning her duration on Google mail and why her account of over 5 years now has to be modified for a service introduced nearly a month agi. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:57] Devon Alderton: indeed, Leon….
[2011/08/14 14:57] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Leon: good point
[2011/08/14 14:57] Devon Alderton: yes, good point Fleep
[2011/08/14 14:57] Nyx Ivory: here too Pygar – gotta admit i like the interface tho – not nearly as maddening as Facebook
[2011/08/14 14:57] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): how ironic that they believed his “crap” name more than his “lawrence” one
[2011/08/14 14:57] Devon Alderton: and..there’s no going back. acc Google, once you “upgrade” to G +, if you undo it, you lose some functionality but they won’t tell you what exaclty
[2011/08/14 14:58] Pygar Bu: yes!
[2011/08/14 14:58] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “Owning an Android phone without a Google account is basically worthless” – name unknown. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:58] LeonTubrok Beaumont: was a bit freeky when i wrote an email about going to dentist then google gave me a pile of toothpaste ads lol
[2011/08/14 14:58] Devon Alderton: Skud said she lost some google group functions
[2011/08/14 14:58] Devon Alderton: think it was Skud…*laughs*
[2011/08/14 14:58] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): suppose if we lose google emails we can just go trooping back to yahoo… :P
[2011/08/14 14:59] Nyx Ivory: Google following the Mac model of trying to create dependant drones
[2011/08/14 14:59] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “In English doesn’t have two words for “Free” like Germany does. Free beer and freedom are practically synonymous.” – Name Unknown. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 14:59] Ceorl Onlyone: I quit G+ myself rather than being banned, and so far Gmail, Docs, Calendar seem intact
[2011/08/14 14:59] Tammy Nowotny: I rented a Rug Doctor, googled the users manual & got Rug Dioctor ads for days thereafter
[2011/08/14 14:59] Devon Alderton: thanks, Ceorl. but for how long?
[2011/08/14 14:59] Pygar Bu: they seem to be slightyly separate
[2011/08/14 14:59] Ceorl Onlyone: right
[2011/08/14 14:59] Ceorl Onlyone: right
[2011/08/14 14:59] Ceorl Onlyone: no guarantees of the future of course
[2011/08/14 14:59] Ceorl Onlyone: that is the worry, I no longer believe
[2011/08/14 15:00] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “You can have your pseudonym hijacked” – Stroker Serpentine. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:00] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Being deaf, I’m a very visual person – I’ve become quite skilled at *not* seeing the ads now
[2011/08/14 15:00] Pygar Bu: ha!
[2011/08/14 15:00] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Such events have happened to Stroker in the past. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:01] Hitomi Tiponi: can understand that with someone high prrofile like Stroker
[2011/08/14 15:02] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): ** Keep in mind, I’m trying to find the highlights of a rather lively conversation. I’m trying to be as accurate as possible but I may be making mistakes. ** (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:02] Salazar Jack: Tweet from Yoz Linden: “Am at the #SLCC Privacy & Identity panel. Several of my personas have been looking forward to this one. #slcc11 #PaintingABigTargetOnMySelf”
[2011/08/14 15:02] Pygar Bu: haha!!
[2011/08/14 15:02] Nyx Ivory: in the physical world been fighting an ongoing battle protecting a “celebrity” with scads of fakers
[2011/08/14 15:02] Ceorl Onlyone: we appreciate the effort Immy :)
[2011/08/14 15:02] Devon Alderton: I liked SaveMe Oh’s experiment with replicating her persona
[2011/08/14 15:03] Nyx Ivory: this is actually the liveliest panel so far this conference
[2011/08/14 15:03] Gentle Heron: I know how hard a job this is, Immy, and I thank you. It’s interesting being on the receiving end when I’m usually the one doing the transcription.
[2011/08/14 15:03] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): One in the crowd, unknown name, is listing off the possible excuses that providers will make for demanding legal names for the sake of legal accountability. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:04] Ceorl Onlyone: it was good to hear Rodvik speak out for privacy too, reassuring
[2011/08/14 15:04] Pygar Bu: ty, Sal for keeping us up on tweets too
[2011/08/14 15:04] Salazar Jack: Salazar Jack shoots pistol fingers at Pygar
[2011/08/14 15:04] Devon Alderton: Ha! Immy, we’ve heard them all before!
[2011/08/14 15:04] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Rod continues to give me hope that he *gets it* about SL and avatars and privacy
[2011/08/14 15:05] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “There’s a real good reason why the Alphaville Herald is hosted by Dream host. They don’t roll over [and compromise privacy] easily” – Pix. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:05] Salazar Jack: This streamis working… http://www.ustream.tv/channel/slcc3
[2011/08/14 15:05] Pygar Bu: we build reputations in all worlds, that’s a better identifier than anything i can think of
[2011/08/14 15:05] Devon Alderton: is it this session, Sal?
[2011/08/14 15:05] Ceorl Onlyone: nope, Relay for Life
[2011/08/14 15:05] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): DX
[2011/08/14 15:05] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Note to self: Dreamhost as hosting provider…
[2011/08/14 15:06] Salazar Jack: Not our stream.. just one that was working..
[2011/08/14 15:06] Devon Alderton: hmmm…iSkye, i think we need non-free email accounts
[2011/08/14 15:06] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): that’s one drawback
[2011/08/14 15:06] Devon Alderton: maybe toolsjam needs to work on that
[2011/08/14 15:06] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): on what, non-free email accounts?
[2011/08/14 15:06] Devon Alderton: yes…
[2011/08/14 15:07] Ceorl Onlyone: as the lines are drawn around privacy policies more clearly, it will be an opportunity for those who choose to respect privacy
[2011/08/14 15:07] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): I have a paid mail service over GoDaddy. 10 accounts and my own .com domain. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:07] Devon Alderton: nice, Immy. roughly how much does it cost?
[2011/08/14 15:07] Ceorl Onlyone: at the moment, there is still a glimmer of hope that Google will smarten up, but dwindling fast
[2011/08/14 15:07] Salazar Jack: That was my thought with rodvik’s comments regarding privacy… maybe SL is making a play for the other audience.
[2011/08/14 15:07] Devon Alderton: <—trust the economist to ask the money question
[2011/08/14 15:07] Salazar Jack: Or both audiences!
[2011/08/14 15:07] Ceorl Onlyone: yes Sal, that was my hope too, it woudl be a smart move
[2011/08/14 15:08] Pygar Bu: mhm
[2011/08/14 15:08] Ceorl Onlyone: partner with Diaspora, Twitter, Plurk
[2011/08/14 15:08] LeonTubrok Beaumont: but FB is/was popular
[2011/08/14 15:08] Ceorl Onlyone: well they did not think it through, failed to understand that fundamental difference
[2011/08/14 15:08] LeonTubrok Beaumont: and they scrabbling to get bigger audience
[2011/08/14 15:08] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “Isn’t it interesting that there’s no uproar over Linked In and any naming policys?” – Pix. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:09] Ceorl Onlyone: they thought we wanted to put our real names in display names too
[2011/08/14 15:09] Nyx Ivory: yea – shd have learned from FB and integrateed into their own AU
[2011/08/14 15:09] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Google used to be considered a “good guy”but now with this policy issue over identities, they very quickly became like the hated SS…
[2011/08/14 15:09] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I like what Nyx said!
[2011/08/14 15:09] Ceorl Onlyone: yes iSkye I think many are thinking of how to safely disengage from Google
[2011/08/14 15:09] Devon Alderton: LInked in required names from the getgo. people sign up to sell their services or get a job.
[2011/08/14 15:09] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): would have given us a more self-contained community
[2011/08/14 15:10] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari was asked about the reasoning behind using online pseudonyms. She’s bringing up victims of abuse, harassment, and such. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:10] LeonTubrok Beaumont: everyones good guys till they get big ;-p
[2011/08/14 15:10] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): HA! Hiro grew up where scenes from the Stepford Wives were filmed. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:11] Tammy Nowotny: “Corporations are people, my friend!”
[2011/08/14 15:11] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): theres also the issue of an EVEN PLAYING FIELD – many of us have abilities or capabilities that we are not able to use with our RL identities that we are empowered to use as avatars
[2011/08/14 15:11] Devon Alderton: eeek! I always think of that when I see the new account avis. marching along Main Street
[2011/08/14 15:11] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): oh, god the Stepford Wives….<shudder>
[2011/08/14 15:11] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “I use ‘Riven’ when I make a political statement because I don’t want my associates bothered by the effects of making such a statement.”
[2011/08/14 15:11] Nyx Ivory: Nyx Ivory nods agreement at Sky
[2011/08/14 15:15] Devon Alderton: but Gentle, RL researcher disclosure, you mean, not participant?
[2011/08/14 15:15] Nyx Ivory: we respect their levels of comfort – both sides need assurances of good intent
[2011/08/14 15:15] Gentle Heron: both, Devon
[2011/08/14 15:15] Devon Alderton: Tommy!
[2011/08/14 15:15] Tammy Nowotny: Nyx can share RL identity with clients without sharing it with whole universe. even in RL, consultants often work confidentially
[2011/08/14 15:15] Gentle Heron: informed consent MUST be given by the RL person
[2011/08/14 15:15] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Draxter is mentioning how he has practically “Brand” established his name so that he would be a supportive go to for political and activist contacts. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:16] Devon Alderton: I respectfully disagree on that on the client side.
[2011/08/14 15:16] Devon Alderton: but my work is social science, not medical.
[2011/08/14 15:16] Gentle Heron: I eagerly await Tom Bollestorff’s book on VW research. I know that’s an issue researchers have to deal with.
[2011/08/14 15:17] Devon Alderton: IRBs don’t require it of clients in the survey/interview type research.
[2011/08/14 15:17] Gentle Heron: They don’t require informed consent in some kinds of research, that’s true.
[2011/08/14 15:17] Devon Alderton: I have had to gently shoo some researchers back to their faculty committees for not having informed consent in place….
[2011/08/14 15:18] Devon Alderton: but it never requires identity disclosure of the participant
[2011/08/14 15:18] Nyx Ivory: interesting – a diff angle, Devon – not thought about that
[2011/08/14 15:18] Gentle Heron: Gentle Heron needs the contact info for Devon’s IRB.
[2011/08/14 15:19] Nyx Ivory: agreeing in part with Draxtor’s “branding” concept
[2011/08/14 15:19] Devon Alderton: So do I…jsut changed institutions and have to get the new one up to speed
[2011/08/14 15:19] Gentle Heron: Draxtor IS a brand, after all
[2011/08/14 15:19] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): One from the crowd, name unknown, is referencing how keeping RL and virtual separate can have an impact on someone’s ability to be hired. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:19] Pygar Bu: yes, Nyx
[2011/08/14 15:19] Gentle Heron: Here’s what’s funny. I think folks would hire Gentle before they’d hire her typist.
[2011/08/14 15:19] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): That unknown person, I can relate to that
[2011/08/14 15:20] Ceorl Onlyone: yes, social media allows an interviewer to get answers to questions they are not allowed to ask
[2011/08/14 15:20] Gentle Heron: Hello Krull!!!
[2011/08/14 15:20] Devon Alderton: We are seeing more and more of this…the company that isdoing social media research for employers on applicatns
[2011/08/14 15:20] Devon Alderton: and those FB reHey, CeAire!
[2011/08/14 15:20] Hi gentle ã‹¡
[2011/08/14 15:21] Pygar Bu: I mention my involvement in SecondLife on my resume, but don’t disclose my SL name
[2011/08/14 15:21] LeonTubrok Beaumont: yeh avi names can become a ‘brand’
[2011/08/14 15:21] Devon Alderton: smart, Pygar.
[2011/08/14 15:21] Gentle Heron: It is quite possible to demonstrate employment and employability skills in SL.
[2011/08/14 15:21] Pygar Bu: (if they really wanna know, they can ask me personally ;-) )
[2011/08/14 15:21] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I’ve have soem form of my name on the Internet since the early 90s
[2011/08/14 15:21] Devon Alderton: Anyone can find mine….in two seconds or less.
[2011/08/14 15:22] Devon Alderton: yes, Gentle…and so many folks can blossom in here in ways that they couldn’t so quickly in RL.
[2011/08/14 15:22] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari is reflecting on what it means to build a reputation in its own name (her Second Lifeâ„¢ name as a point) that needs to be held and protected like any other identity. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:22] Pygar Bu: my RL internet handles are simialr enough to my RL name it’s not difficlut to associate them
[2011/08/14 15:22] Nyx Ivory: I suspect Botgirl wd be with us on the brand thing
[2011/08/14 15:22] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): That was making earlier, Devon – an avatar identity can empower a person
[2011/08/14 15:23] LeonTubrok Beaumont: think if protecting an avi name for a brand means also taking up that name on other worlds, that can get to be a pain
[2011/08/14 15:23] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Nyx: definitely about Botgirl
[2011/08/14 15:23] Devon Alderton: Leon, it seems like a business idea to me…..protect and register your name for you
[2011/08/14 15:23] Gentle Heron: Note to Oakland- There are over 100 different peer support groups in SL just in English.
[2011/08/14 15:24] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): be interesting if a sort of central virtual world registry came into being
[2011/08/14 15:24] LeonTubrok Beaumont: yes devon, it has a value
[2011/08/14 15:24] Pygar Bu: yes, Skye!
[2011/08/14 15:24] LeonTubrok Beaumont: that would be an ideal sky
[2011/08/14 15:24] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): that’d be the “create identity once, use everywhere’ concept
[2011/08/14 15:25] Devon Alderton: and we sort of have that with sign in via Twitter, FB, etc
[2011/08/14 15:25] LeonTubrok Beaumont: posssible in concept, site where u submit name and then they regester than in all possible worlds and sites
[2011/08/14 15:25] Nyx Ivory: several universal sign-in things – not yet trusting any
[2011/08/14 15:25] Nyx Ivory: OA etc
[2011/08/14 15:25] Devon Alderton: yes, Nyx…that’s the issue…trust.
[2011/08/14 15:25] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I’m waiting for one to become the more-or-less de facto registrar
[2011/08/14 15:26] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): A few people are talking about attempts to apply for jobs using experience they’ve gained by being in Second Lifeâ„¢ but the interviewer/HR have managed to ignore what they accomplished under the pesudonym. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:26] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): it’d be like a ICANN for avatar identities
[2011/08/14 15:26] Devon Alderton: can it be set up on a barge somewhere in international waters?
[2011/08/14 15:26] LeonTubrok Beaumont: yeh needs a standars likes regertring a website
[2011/08/14 15:26] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro almost accidentally broke the table. XD
[2011/08/14 15:26] Devon Alderton: you can put that stuff on your resume….but how to verify it….put it in linked in.
[2011/08/14 15:26] Pygar Bu: Whoops!
[2011/08/14 15:26] Nyx Ivory: (reminds me – need to look at QR codes again)
[2011/08/14 15:27] Tammy Nowotny: hah: interviewers usually ignore experience gained under your real name, too.
[2011/08/14 15:27] Salazar Jack: Was he pounding it with his fist?
[2011/08/14 15:27] LeonTubrok Beaumont: u know when u regester a domain name its protected, would be a good next step for avi names
[2011/08/14 15:27] Devon Alderton: yikes! calm down there, boys and girls.
[2011/08/14 15:27] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): is that the opposite of “almost intentionally”?
[2011/08/14 15:27] Pygar Bu: (lots of possibilities there Nyx)
[2011/08/14 15:27] Krull Kitty (krull.quar): I think it raises eyebrows when I brag about developing an entire island by myself with my own two paws XD
[2011/08/14 15:27] Pygar Bu: heh Krull!
[2011/08/14 15:27] CeAire Decosta: LOL!
[2011/08/14 15:28] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I get twitchy about the heavy reliance on “certifications” over experience with some interviewers and prospective employers.
[2011/08/14 15:28] lol
[2011/08/14 15:28] Nyx Ivory: sounds awesome to me, Krull ;^)
[2011/08/14 15:28] Krull Kitty (krull.quar): hehe
[2011/08/14 15:28] Pygar Bu: yes, Skye
[2011/08/14 15:28] Pygar Bu: I look for “or related experience” in the requirements
[2011/08/14 15:29] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Drax is saying that that there’s an optimistic possibility that alternate identities will eventually being normalized.
[2011/08/14 15:29] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): hard to find those three little words these days, Pygar
[2011/08/14 15:29] Salazar Jack: Maybe the HP ignoring of the SL/virtual work is just a matter of unfamiliarity with the tech and skills and when it becomes more mainstream it will have more value?
[2011/08/14 15:29] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “There was once a time when you had to hide being Irish.” – Drax. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:29] Devon Alderton: for women, you know, changing your name is so often expected
[2011/08/14 15:29] Pygar Bu: I can see that. Maybe not today or tomorrow but soon enough.
[2011/08/14 15:30] Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles big
[2011/08/14 15:30] Devon Alderton: and authors….and bloggers
[2011/08/14 15:30] Krull Kitty (krull.quar): There are many people in the world using alternate IDs right now, we know them as actors who use stage names ã‹¡
[2011/08/14 15:30] iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): iSkye Bonde looks at the display name above her head, re name change
[2011/08/14 15:30] Tammy Nowotny: Tammy Nowotny is actually Irish-American, even though she has a Slovakian surname
[2011/08/14 15:30] Nyx Ivory: Maria – Hypergrid Biz hada a great article about her name
[2011/08/14 15:30] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): “Log off now!” – Stroker. =^-^=
[2011/08/14 15:30] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): The panel is currently ended. (^_^)
[2011/08/14 15:30] Salazar Jack: Thanks, Immy!
[2011/08/14 15:30] Pygar Bu: Thanks! for relaying Immy!
[2011/08/14 15:30] Tammy Nowotny: maybe an archived video will be made available
