{"id":471,"date":"2011-09-23T11:11:46","date_gmt":"2011-09-23T19:11:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/darkly-cute.com\/blog\/?p=471"},"modified":"2011-09-23T11:11:46","modified_gmt":"2011-09-23T19:11:46","slug":"tldr-chatlog-from-august-14-2008-slcc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/darkly-cute.com\/blog\/tldr-chatlog-from-august-14-2008-slcc\/","title":{"rendered":"TL\/DR &#8211; Chatlog from August 14, 2008 SLCC"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was present during the Avatar Identity panel at SLCC 2011&#8230; A panel which received threats from Kalel of the Justice League Unlimited. \u00a0So&#8230; There were &#8220;technical&#8221; problems. (=_=)<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s the video for those who ain&#8217;t seen it yet. =^-^=<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/blip.tv\/play\/AYLTg2EC.html\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"550\" height=\"396\"><\/iframe><object style=\"display: none;\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/a.blip.tv\/api.swf#AYLTg2EC\" \/><embed style=\"display: none;\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/a.blip.tv\/api.swf#AYLTg2EC\" \/><\/object><\/p>\n<p>I spent a loooong time waiting for that video to come out. DX<\/p>\n<p>Either way, there it is. =^-^=<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d say the panel was quite successful in spite of the JLU&#8217;s threats&#8230; But, I guess a lot of things go that way in SL&#8230; In spite of the JLU&#8217;s threats! XD<\/p>\n<p>Now, Pixeleen is making available her side of the story on the Alphaville Herald. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/alphavilleherald.com\/2011\/09\/slcc-2011-drama-avatar-identity-privacy-and-transparency-in-social-media.html\">You can find it here<\/a>. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>In a way, I waited for Pix to say anything before I said something and I assume Pix was probably willing to let it pass. \u00a0That is, until the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sluniverse.com\/php\/vb\/general-sl-discussion\/64116-jlu-privacy-crisis-infinite-threads.html\">Justice League, Kalel Venkman, Zip Pas<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.secondcitizen.net\/Forum\/showthread.php?t=14901\">GreenLantern Excelsior<\/a> got all wound up in forum dramaz over a datamining project by the JLU a-la RedZone. (=_=)<\/p>\n<p>Since then, much of the Justice League has been retreating to hiding places with their tails between their legs. \u00a0They won&#8217;t directly answer questions. \u00a0They been persistently contradicting each other when they do speak up. \u00a0Really, cowering like any other fraud under investigation. =^-^=<\/p>\n<p>So, anyway, TL\/DR&#8230; Here is the chatlog of the inworld SLCC 2011 panel&#8230; Expect really ugly formatting. XD<\/p>\n<p><strong>Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency in Social Media<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:31]\u00a0 Second Life: Teleport completed from http:\/\/maps.secondlife.com\/secondlife\/SLCC%203\/135\/164\/30<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 Object: whispers: A landmark to this destination has been placed in your inventory.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 Second Life: You decline &#8216;SLCC 11 &#8211; MOMA &#8211; Artistic &amp; Creative , Social\u00a0 &amp; Communities&#8217;\u00a0 ( http:\/\/slurl.com\/secondlife\/SLCC%201\/147\/116\/25 ) from &lt;nolink&gt;Object&lt;\/nolink&gt;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Helloo!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 It&#8217;s a good topic.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 hello, IMno<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 Hi! Immy!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:32]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: We had a great discussion about this at NonProfit Commons meeting last Friday.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:33]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: are you in the room in Oakland by chance?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:33]\u00a0 should have a anthropolgist there<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:33]\u00a0 ZHAOII &#8211; Immy: Typing animation disabled.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:33]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): I&#8217;m in Oakland. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:33]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: We&#8217;ve been trying to tell LL they need an anthropologist, a sociologist, and a community management person (NOT an online community manager type though)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: gentle, with Tom Bukowski?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: agree<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Agreed, Gentle!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 hello everyone<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Tamy!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:34]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: is it just me or is there no video on the prim?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: I cdn&#8217;t make it to Oakland<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 not just you Tammy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: no video, and no UStream either ,Tammy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: yay Immy counting on you for the inside scoop<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: there is no video. we are waiting for any word from someone in Oakland about what is going on<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: but&#8230;.if we don&#8217;t hear, we can have our own chat&#8230;..if only someone in Oakland was here in world<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 susan Yven: slcc3 is running but not sure what topic<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): No audio? (o.o)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: no audio or video<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: feeling like Pavlov&#8217;s dog on the refresh button<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:35]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: not hearing anything here<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): There won&#8217;t be a stream. It&#8217;s a long story. (._.)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: okay. but&#8230;.can we have some interaction?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 thanks Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Long story short, blame JLU. (&gt;_&lt;)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: stream one or 2 we should be seeing?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: You&#8217;re in Oakland, Immy?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: hmm<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Calliope Novaland: hello Oakland?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Thanks, Immy.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:36]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: ah, but &#8230;.can you tell us what is going on..who is talking?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: oh dear :-\/<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Calliope Novaland: JLU?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: give us a brief synopsis as it happens? I know you type fast. ;-)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Hitomi Tiponi: hihi<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Yeah. I&#8217;m here now. They&#8217;re introducing Marianne McCann, Pixelene. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Stacia Reinoir: the justice league interfered?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Yeah. DX<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:37]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yay! Marianne! Yay! Pix!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Does Pix really have red hair?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 lol<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Calliope Novaland: Oaklandsays no stream for this??<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Heh. Well, there is hair. XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: not even voice?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: or her typist? is he really short?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): No stream. (&gt;_&lt;)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: is there a good crowd? tell us who is there in the audience<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:38]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Pix is taller than me. =^-^=<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:39]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: hahah<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:39]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Full room. Though, Can&#8217;t say I recognize anyone. But, there is a neko! XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:39]\u00a0 Calliope Novaland: sad<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:39]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: who is talking first?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro is reflecting on how European media literacy education reccomends online anonymity. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles big<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Cool. clearly Google is not European.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Also how he&#8217;s quite ticked at G+. (&gt;_&lt;)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Yeah. (._.)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:40]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Killua, honey, you are making me dizzy.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 erikbortulussi: oi quem fala minha lingua<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu read Tateru&#8217;s post on the latest from G+<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: come sit with us up here<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari just AR&#8217;d Hiro for saying F**k. XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: ~*~!Woooo HAHAHA!!~*~!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: haha<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: is Mari the moderator?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:41]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Referring to the soccer coment that Rod included in his speech yesterday.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:42]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: General-rated region, it fits<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:42]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): No mod. Just a panel. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:42]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro is expressing his support for anonymity in spite of his personal choice to reveal himself. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: thanks for doing this Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: most who like anonymity or pseudonimity have no objection to choice :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Hiya, bevan!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Hi Bevan. There&#8217;s no stream, so Izzy is narrating<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 hi!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t take away the validity of the story no matter what their name is.&#8221; (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Bevan Whitfield: ty Gentle :-)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: no stream..but Immy is doing a great job of synopsizing for us<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): iSkye sends Immy a HUGE hug of thanks :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:43]\u00a0 Bevan Whitfield: ty Immy :-)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:44]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: hi, iSkye!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:44]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: thx Immy :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:44]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yes, thanks!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:44]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari is speaking now, reflecting on how she holds a Facebook and G+ page as a chosen second identity. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:44]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: real and SL?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: two of each?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): She also has no faith that G+ will let anyone have their name, regardless how real. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: She has an SL identity on Facebook?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: I tweet under both my SL &amp; RL identities<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): She likes to keep both lives separate. Second Life\u00e2\u201e\u00a2 for SL, RL for RL. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:45]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: in one account, Tammy?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: here&#8217;s where we really need the back channel<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Contexts between the two ways she chooses to be, Second Life\u00e2\u201e\u00a2 and Real Life don&#8217;t mesh well. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Bevan helped me pick this identity because VWBPE required disclosure one year<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: no, definitely not<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: my RL self sends much duller tweets<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Metanomics Chatbridge was great for that in their weekly broadcasts<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: me, too, Tammy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:46]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mix is speaking about learning what it&#8217;s been like to be the mouthy little redhead who knows about sailing abit. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:47]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Pix, not Mix. XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:47]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: mouthy. ha!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:47]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): &#8220;mouthy little redhead&#8221; *grin*<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:47]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Note: Mix = Pixelene<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:47]\u00a0 Bevan Whitfield: :-)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Kara (irresistible.charisma): whats the URL?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Irresistible, there is no stream<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mixing things (RL and SL) together may be good for the dataminders, but, it&#8217;s rarely convenient for the end user&#8221;. Pix. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: There&#8217;s no stream, sorry.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Kara (irresistible.charisma): why not?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Long story. (._.)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): &#8220;technical issues&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: I tripped over the cord&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:48]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Food trays were involved.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Being forced to disclose is very different from disclosing voluntarily<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: :-) Salazar &#8211; FTW<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: agreed Devon<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Hear, hear, Devon!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: as we said in the Linden panel discussion, it&#8217;s all about options.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:49]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): The&#8217;re talking about the culture that focuses on too much sense of &#8220;status&#8221; for people to trust people who choose alternate names. (&gt;_&lt;)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:50]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: I didn&#8217;t have anything invested in Devon and had to disclose up front.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:50]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: after recent things governments get twitchy at avatars wihout rl name behind it<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:50]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes..that need to protect your privelege when you come into a world that values competence<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:50]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Leon&#8217;s referring to UK riots<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:50]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: oh..Leon&#8230;except when they want you to call the anonymous tip line and turn in criminals&#8230;or your neighbors<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: our oldest democracies are spiraling towards repression faster and faster<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Lady Gaga&#8217;s Google+ page seems just fine [in spite of her pseudonym]&#8221; (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Nyx Ivory nods at Devon<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: and then they would prefer u wasnt annonymous but know u wouldnt phone otherwise<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: the lack of consistency from G+ is maddening<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: &#8216;s funny, we all start with the same tools here, it is all about what we do with them<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I see people being marginalised once their RL information is revealed in association with that avatars, and that&#8217;s just not fair to people<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:51]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro expexts Google&#8217;s approach to be bound to backfire on them. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: heaven forbid G offend the monsters<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: a question for the panel Immy if you can pass it along, what are the most promising options for having a private online life these days?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Good point, Pygar!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;It&#8217;s insane! It&#8217;s tone deaf!&#8221; &#8211; Hiro. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: good one, Ceorl! way to spin positive<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: indeed&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:52]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: thx Nyx, yes we all know it is a minefield out there :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:53]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Yes, Pygar.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:53]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: and good point from Pygar &#8211; about leveling the field<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:53]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: no rson why avis have to be publicly linked to rl people solong as tracable if needed for security issues<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:53]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: but it&#8217;s two approaches. the approach of be a passive consumer of entertainment &#8230;shopping, music, dj&#8217;s, machinima&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Wry tweet from @ZeMoo&#8230; \u00e2\u20ac\u0153@meta_verse @zero @gwenners No livestream from the #SLCC Privacy &amp; Transparancy debate @SLCC for #Privacy reasons i guess&#8230; Thumbs up! .)\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: heh!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: haha :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: *snort* :-D<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: notice machinima makers stand apart and watch&#8230;or set up the stage and film it<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:54]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: and the approach of come in, get competent, build, hack the culture. for that, you need privacy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: active participants need privacy.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Agree with Devon there<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Twitter doesn&#8217;t give a d**n about what you say your name is&#8221; &#8211; Yoz Linden. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: the push to sell us stuff what makes them want us publicly linked to rl :-\/<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Salazar Jack claps<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes..and how many of us use google for alt identities?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:55]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: indeed, Leon<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): well&#8230;..they make money OFF of our information<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): which burns my butt because it&#8217;s MY information<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): why do THEY get the money?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: they came pretty quick with patriot bill but doubt as quick other way round when public want privacy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:56]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: I opened a G+ acct for this avie &#8211; I don&#8217;t do much there, except read Crap&#8217;s 100 word stories.. :-)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Fleep is mentioning her duration on Google mail and why her account of over 5 years now has to be modified for a service introduced nearly a month agi. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: indeed, Leon&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Leon: good point<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes, good point Fleep<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Remember, Crap&#8217;s RL account name &#8220;Lawrence&#8221; got suspended. XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: here too Pygar &#8211; gotta admit i like the interface tho &#8211; not nearly as maddening as Facebook<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): how ironic that they believed his &#8220;crap&#8221; name more than his &#8220;lawrence&#8221; one<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:57]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: and..there&#8217;s no going back. acc Google, once you &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to G +, if you undo it, you lose some functionality but they won&#8217;t tell you what exaclty<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yes!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Owning an Android phone without a Google account is basically worthless&#8221; &#8211; name unknown. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: was a bit freeky when i wrote an email about going to dentist then google gave me a pile of toothpaste ads lol<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Skud said she lost some google group functions<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: think it was Skud&#8230;*laughs*<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:58]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): suppose if we lose google emails we can just go trooping back to yahoo&#8230; :P<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Google following the Mac model of trying to create dependant drones<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;In English doesn&#8217;t have two words for &#8220;Free&#8221; like Germany does. Free beer and freedom are practically synonymous.&#8221; &#8211; Name Unknown. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: I quit G+ myself rather than being banned, and so far Gmail, Docs, Calendar seem intact<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: I rented a Rug Doctor, googled the users manual &amp; got Rug Dioctor ads for days thereafter<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: thanks, Ceorl. but for how long?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: they seem to be slightyly separate<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: right<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: right<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: no guarantees of the future of course<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 14:59]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: that is the worry, I no longer believe<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:00]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;You can have your pseudonym hijacked&#8221; &#8211; Stroker Serpentine. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:00]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Being deaf, I&#8217;m a very visual person &#8211; I&#8217;ve become quite skilled at *not* seeing the ads now<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:00]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: ha!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:00]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Such events have happened to Stroker in the past. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Hitomi Tiponi: can understand that with someone high prrofile like Stroker<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Stroker there, too?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;I made a couple of the [fake] Hamlets [on Avatars United] just to see if it was possible&#8221; &#8211; Pix. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Yeah. 4 seats to my left. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu snorts<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 Hitomi Tiponi: bet they were more interesting than the real one<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:01]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): awesome<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): ** Keep in mind, I&#8217;m trying to find the highlights of a rather lively conversation. I&#8217;m trying to be as accurate as possible but I may be making mistakes. ** (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Tweet from Yoz Linden: &#8220;Am at the #SLCC Privacy &amp; Identity panel. Several of my personas have been looking forward to this one. #slcc11 #PaintingABigTargetOnMySelf&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: haha!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: in the physical world been fighting an ongoing battle protecting a &#8220;celebrity&#8221; with scads of fakers<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: we appreciate the effort Immy :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: I liked SaveMe Oh&#8217;s experiment with replicating her persona<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Haha Yoz!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: hear u nyx<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:02]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: doing great Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:03]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Devon Alderton looks around&#8230;.sighs.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:03]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: this is actually the liveliest panel so far this conference<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:03]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: I know how hard a job this is, Immy, and I thank you. It&#8217;s interesting being on the receiving end when I&#8217;m usually the one doing the transcription.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:03]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Devon Alderton salutes Gentle.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:03]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): One in the crowd, unknown name, is listing off the possible excuses that providers will make for demanding legal names for the sake of legal accountability. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:04]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: it was good to hear Rodvik speak out for privacy too, reassuring<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:04]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: ty, Sal for keeping us up on tweets too<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:04]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Salazar Jack shoots pistol fingers at Pygar<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:04]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Ha! Immy, we&#8217;ve heard them all before!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:04]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Rod continues to give me hope that he *gets it* about SL and avatars and privacy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;There&#8217;s a real good reason why the Alphaville Herald is hosted by Dream host. They don&#8217;t roll over [and compromise privacy] easily&#8221; &#8211; Pix. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: This streamis working&#8230; http:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/channel\/slcc3<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): NICE! XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: we build reputations in all worlds, that&#8217;s a better identifier than anything i can think of<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: is it this session, Sal?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: nope, Relay for Life<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): DX<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:05]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Note to self: Dreamhost as hosting provider&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Not our stream.. just one that was working..<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: hmmm&#8230;iSkye, i think we need non-free email accounts<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): that&#8217;s one drawback<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: maybe toolsjam needs to work on that<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): on what, non-free email accounts?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:06]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: as the lines are drawn around privacy policies more clearly, it will be an opportunity for those who choose to respect privacy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): I have a paid mail service over GoDaddy. 10 accounts and my own .com domain. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: nice, Immy. roughly how much does it cost?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: at the moment, there is still a glimmer of hope that Google will smarten up, but dwindling fast<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: That was my thought with rodvik&#8217;s comments regarding privacy&#8230; maybe SL is making a play for the other audience.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: &lt;&#8212;trust the economist to ask the money question<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Or both audiences!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:07]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: yes Sal, that was my hope too, it woudl be a smart move<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: mhm<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: partner with Diaspora, Twitter, Plurk<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: privacy friendly partners<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): I bought it together with a hosting package and a business registration, About $200 per year. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: I don&#8217;t understand their move towards FB.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: since FB keeps banning avis<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: perhaps the broader audience<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: thanks. that&#8217;s quite reasonable<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: but FB is\/was popular<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: well they did not think it through, failed to understand that fundamental difference<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: and they scrabbling to get bigger audience<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:08]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it interesting that there&#8217;s no uproar over Linked In and any naming policys?&#8221; &#8211; Pix. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: they thought we wanted to put our real names in display names too<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: yea &#8211; shd have learned from FB and integrateed into their own AU<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Google used to be considered a &#8220;good guy&#8221;but now with this policy issue over identities, they very quickly became like the hated SS&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I like what Nyx said!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: yes iSkye I think many are thinking of how to safely disengage from Google<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: LInked in required names from the getgo. people sign up to sell their services or get a job.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:09]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): would have given us a more self-contained community<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:10]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari was asked about the reasoning behind using online pseudonyms. She&#8217;s bringing up victims of abuse, harassment, and such. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:10]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: everyones good guys till they get big ;-p<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:10]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Devon Alderton nods. they scale beyond human.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:10]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): HA! Hiro grew up where scenes from the Stepford Wives were filmed. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: &#8220;Corporations are people, my friend!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): theres also the issue of an EVEN PLAYING FIELD &#8211; many of us have abilities or capabilities that we are not able to use with our RL identities that we are empowered to use as avatars<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: eeek! I always think of that when I see the new account avis. marching along Main Street<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): oh, god the Stepford Wives&#8230;.&lt;shudder&gt;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;I use &#8216;Riven&#8217; when I make a political statement because I don&#8217;t want my associates bothered by the effects of making such a statement.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Nyx Ivory nods agreement at Sky<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:11]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8211; Riven&#8230; Duh! XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: whats wrong with stepford wifes? ;-p<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: iSkye, you&#8217;re in reach. smack him.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: LOLL<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: :-) Devon<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): iSkye Bonde shoves leon off his chair<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: (loves a bit of banter)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:12]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:13]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: (hope Leon&#8217;s elbow bruises aren&#8217;t TOO deep)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:13]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Nyx, for a company like Icarus, what do you all do about identity of your clients? does it matter?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:13]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: whispers: (i put my flak jacket on<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;There&#8217;s some kind of weird guys on the internet, you may notice.&#8221; &#8211; Pix. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: it absolutely matters &#8211; i&#8217;m accustomed to working in an NDA environment<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: deven, its up to them if wanna be public or not, not us<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: hahahahaha. and gals. good one, Pix.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: right Nyx, and NDAs and informed consent to participate in research MUST have RL identities.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:14]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Devon Alderton nods.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: but Gentle, RL researcher disclosure, you mean, not participant?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: we respect their levels of comfort &#8211; both sides need assurances of good intent<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: both, Devon<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Tommy!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: Nyx can share RL identity with clients without sharing it with whole universe. even in RL, consultants often work confidentially<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: informed consent MUST be given by the RL person<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:15]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Draxter is mentioning how he has practically &#8220;Brand&#8221; established his name so that he would be a supportive go to for political and activist contacts. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:16]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: I respectfully disagree on that on the client side.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:16]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: but my work is social science, not medical.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:16]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: I eagerly await Tom Bollestorff&#8217;s book on VW research. I know that&#8217;s an issue researchers have to deal with.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:17]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: IRBs don&#8217;t require it of clients in the survey\/interview type research.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:17]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: They don&#8217;t require informed consent in some kinds of research, that&#8217;s true.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:17]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: I have had to gently shoo some researchers back to their faculty committees for not having informed consent in place&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:18]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: but it never requires identity disclosure of the participant<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:18]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: interesting &#8211; a diff angle, Devon &#8211; not thought about that<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:18]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Gentle Heron needs the contact info for Devon&#8217;s IRB.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: agreeing in part with Draxtor&#8217;s &#8220;branding&#8221; concept<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: So do I&#8230;jsut changed institutions and have to get the new one up to speed<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Draxtor IS a brand, after all<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): One from the crowd, name unknown, is referencing how keeping RL and virtual separate can have an impact on someone&#8217;s ability to be hired. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yes, Nyx<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s funny. I think folks would hire Gentle before they&#8217;d hire her typist.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:19]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): That unknown person, I can relate to that<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:20]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: yes, social media allows an interviewer to get answers to questions they are not allowed to ask<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:20]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Hello Krull!!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:20]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: We are seeing more and more of this&#8230;the company that isdoing social media research for employers on applicatns<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:20]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: and those FB reHey, CeAire!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:20]\u00a0 Hi gentle \u00e3\u2039\u00a1<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: I mention my involvement in SecondLife on my resume, but don&#8217;t disclose my SL name<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: yeh avi names can become a &#8216;brand&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: smart, Pygar.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: It is quite possible to demonstrate employment and employability skills in SL.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: (if they really wanna know, they can ask me personally ;-) )<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I&#8217;ve have soem form of my name on the Internet since the early 90s<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:21]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Anyone can find mine&#8230;.in two seconds or less.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes, Gentle&#8230;and so many folks can blossom in here in ways that they couldn&#8217;t so quickly in RL.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I&#8217;ve had*<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Mari is reflecting on what it means to build a reputation in its own name (her Second Life\u00e2\u201e\u00a2 name as a point) that needs to be held and protected like any other identity. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: my RL internet handles are simialr enough to my RL name it&#8217;s not difficlut to associate them<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: I suspect Botgirl wd be with us on the brand thing<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): That was making earlier, Devon &#8211; an avatar identity can empower a person<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22] \u00a0Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Yes. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yep!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:22]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yep.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:23]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: yes Immy *And Protected*<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:23]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: think if protecting an avi name for a brand means also taking up that name on other worlds, that can get to be a pain<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:23]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Nyx: definitely about Botgirl<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:23]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Leon, it seems like a business idea to me&#8230;..protect and register your name for you<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:23]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Note to Oakland- There are over 100 different peer support groups in SL just in English.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:24]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): be interesting if a sort of central virtual world registry came into being<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:24]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: yes devon, it has a value<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:24]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yes, Skye!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:24]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: that would be an ideal sky<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:24]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): that&#8217;d be the &#8220;create identity once, use everywhere&#8217; concept<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: and we sort of have that with sign in via Twitter, FB, etc<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: posssible in concept, site where u submit name and then they regester than in all possible worlds and sites<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: several universal sign-in things &#8211; not yet trusting any<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: OA etc<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yes, Nyx&#8230;that&#8217;s the issue&#8230;trust.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:25]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I&#8217;m waiting for one to become the more-or-less de facto registrar<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): A few people are talking about attempts to apply for jobs using experience they&#8217;ve gained by being in Second Life\u00e2\u201e\u00a2 but the interviewer\/HR have managed to ignore what they accomplished under the pesudonym. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): it&#8217;d be like a ICANN for avatar identities<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: can it be set up on a barge somewhere in international waters?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: yeh needs a standars likes regertring a website<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Hiro almost accidentally broke the table. XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: you can put that stuff on your resume&#8230;.but how to verify it&#8230;.put it in linked in.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Whoops!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: (reminds me &#8211; need to look at QR codes again)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:26]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): &#8220;almost accidentally&#8221; hmmmm<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: hah: interviewers usually ignore experience gained under your real name, too.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Was he pounding it with his fist?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: u know when u regester a domain name its protected, would be a good next step for avi names<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: yikes! calm down there, boys and girls.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): is that the opposite of &#8220;almost intentionally&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: (lots of possibilities there Nyx)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Krull Kitty (krull.quar): I think it raises eyebrows when I brag about developing an entire island by myself with my own two paws XD<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: heh Krull!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:27]\u00a0 CeAire Decosta: LOL!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I get twitchy about the heavy reliance on &#8220;certifications&#8221; over experience with some interviewers and prospective employers.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 lol<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: sounds awesome to me, Krull ;^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 Krull Kitty (krull.quar): hehe<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: yes, Skye<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:28]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: I look for &#8220;or related experience&#8221; in the requirements<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Drax is saying that that there&#8217;s an optimistic possibility that alternate identities will eventually being normalized.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): hard to find those three little words these days, Pygar<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Maybe the HP ignoring of the SL\/virtual work is just a matter of unfamiliarity with the tech and skills and when it becomes more mainstream it will have more value?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;There was once a time when you had to hide being Irish.&#8221; &#8211; Drax. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: &#8220;normalized&#8221;?????<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: for women, you know, changing your name is so often expected<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:29]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: I can see that. Maybe not today or tomorrow but soon enough.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Pygar Bu smiles big<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: and authors&#8230;.and bloggers<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Krull Kitty (krull.quar): There are many people in the world using alternate IDs right now, we know them as actors who use stage names \u00e3\u2039\u00a1<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): iSkye Bonde looks at the display name above her head, re name change<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: Tammy Nowotny is actually Irish-American, even though she has a Slovakian surname<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: Maria &#8211; Hypergrid Biz hada a great article about her name<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Log off now!&#8221; &#8211; Stroker. =^-^=<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): The panel is currently ended. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Salazar Jack: Thanks, Immy!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: Thanks! for relaying Immy!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:30]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: maybe an archived video will be made available<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 LeonTubrok Beaumont: yes thanks<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Krull Kitty (krull.quar): I am a cat so names really don&#8217;t matter because I won&#8217;t come even if you call be by name :P<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): &#8220;Just as we speak, a female friend just had her Facebook profile deleted!&#8221; &#8211; Ze. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 hey everyone<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: Thanks so much, Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): THANKS Immy! Sending you a big squish of thanks for your work.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Ceorl Onlyone: thank you Immy :)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Ange1ique Dagger: how are we enjoying the convenion?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: WHEW! Great Job. Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Chicka chicka yeaaaaah!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Gentle Heron: Thank you Immy. My advice&#8230;. put an ice pack on your wrists.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Ange1ique: Virtually!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: and great convo all<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: \/otter<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: \/ofdoom<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Nyx Ivory: .-&#8216;`&#8217;-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-&#8216;`&#8217;-.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Krull Kitty (krull.quar): Oh my<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 \/clappps tnx a lot Immy for being our ears<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:31]\u00a0 Pygar Bu: .-&#8216;`&#8217;-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-&#8216;`&#8217;-.<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:32]\u00a0 Devon Alderton: thank the panel for us, okay?<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:32]\u00a0 Hitomi Tiponi: Thanks Immy<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:32]\u00a0 Tammy Nowotny: OTTER!!!!!<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:32]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Gotta git so I can change rooms. (^_^)<\/p>\n<p>[2011\/08\/14 15:32]\u00a0 Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Bai you guyz! Xd<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0That&#8217;s all folks! (^_^)y<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/Darkly-Cute.com\/images\/FUGirl.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"659\" height=\"941\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was present during the Avatar Identity panel at SLCC 2011&#8230; A panel which received threats from Kalel of the Justice League Unlimited. \u00a0So&#8230; There were &#8220;technical&#8221; problems. 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